Listen to A Closer Look and more in the audio edition of Late Night with Seth Meyers, weeknights at 12:35/11:35c on NBC.
Seth takes a closer look at Trump's defenders moving on from insisting that the president didn't collude with Russia to arguing that even if he did, it's not a crime.
Then, author Rebecca Makkai talks about exploring how the AIDS epidemic affected Chicago in her novel The Great Believers, reveals how her father smuggled poetry into Hungary and explains why she loves teaching.
She also takes a few more questions from Late Night producer Sarah Jenks-Daly backstage at Studio 8G.
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