In our second B-side episode, Parin and Ola field questions from you and generally discuss the topics covered from our show about leveraging higher ed and thinking #beyondthebag.
Host: Parin, Ola
Ola: Hey, I'm Ola.
Parin: Hi, I'm Parin.
Ola: And this is our first B-Side episode.
Parin: Bimpe, do you want to tell us a little bit about what a B-Side episode is gonna be?
Ola: Yeah. A B-Side episode is kind of a response to our latest episode, and it's gonna be shorter, more casual, and we're gonna talk about some feedback that we got from our listeners.
Parin: Absolutely, and I want to start out by saying we had a fantastic latest episode, and we're super excited to be able to address some of the comments and feedback that we got.
Ola: Yeah, let's dive in.
Parin: Our latest episode was Beyond the Bag: Leveraging Higher Education In Your Career.
Ola: Yeah, and Zach and Ade had a guest speaker, Richard Odior, and they spoke about kind of how higher education may be a way to get a higher salary but actually have a lot more benefits than that. So let's get to our questions.
Parin: Absolutely. And so one of the first questions we had come in is "What exactly is the bag? Is it a specific income level, quality of life, or socioeconomic status?"
Ola: Yeah, and I think for this one--at least when I heard that question I was thinking, "Well, the bag is whatever you want it to be." It's just kind of your personal outlook. What did you think?
Parin: I would have to agree with you. I think the bag is whatever you make it. For some people, that might just be, you know, a certain threshold salary-wise. It might be, like, a standard of living that they, you know, aspire to achieve. The bag really is whatever you define it to be.
Ola: Right? And I think on some levels we're talking about, like, having that basic level of income that you feel comfortable with, but beyond that, what your aspirations are, what your passions are, and how you can kind of achieve those.
Parin: Absolutely, absolutely. Agreed. I guess another interesting question that we had come in--and Bimpe, feel free to jump in on this one--it is regarding where the expectation of attending college comes from. Because, again, in the episode, you know, we were constantly about education and sort of how education ultimately feeds into, you know, I guess a good salary. But do you want to jump in on that one?
Ola: Yeah, for sure. Whenever I think of expectation of attending college, I just think of my parents and my grandparents and just this idea that, like, they were all educators for the most part, or at least my grandparents on my mom's side were educators. A principal, principals of two different schools, and then my mom is an academic dean. My dad is a professor. So I grew up around the context of higher education, so that was the normal. They all have multiple degrees, so I'm the slacker with my mere one. [laughs] So personally for me it comes more from my parents than it ever did from, like, school or outside pressures at all.
Parin: Yeah. I think it varies from person to person kind of depending on your background. I'd have to kind of, you know, say my expectation definitely came from my family. I'm also kind of, like, the slacker. Everyone's got, like, multiple degrees, lots of academics, but I--
Ola: Yeah. [laughs] We're, like, business consultants and we're slacking. Anyway.
Parin: [laughs] Yeah, we are completely, like, the bottom of the food chain with that one. [laughs] But I also know kind of--like, the education system does kind of build you up to attend college. Like, it's kind of like you go to school to attend college. Like, you've got all those SAT and ACT prep classes, you know? It just kind of seems like a societal norm at this point.
Ola: Right, and I feel like sometimes it's more that--like, some schools get judged based on the amount of their graduates that attend college, so--you know, if you're being goal-oriented, that can--that is at least something that's measurable as far as outcomes. So I think it's also, like, this new wave of, like, more people going to college because, you know, the middle class in America is growing, and more of us see college as necessary. I mean, even when--I know people who had to get degrees to be bank tellers. That wasn't the case so many years ago, so it kind of makes sense that now we're expecting the baseline to be college instead of high school.
Parin: For sure, for sure. And that's absolutely not to say that college is determinate of your success in life, but that also segues into our next question, which is what is the true value of an education beyond a means of financial security? So basically, is there any point in doing all of this, you know, spending on college besides, you know, getting a good job or, you know, getting a certain level of salary?
Ola: Yeah. I mean, I really like that question because I've always thought of education beyond financial security because growing up I didn't really think about financial security, luckily. So when I think of education now, I think about the community that I've been able to build and, you know, just having an audience with all of the alumni from my gigantic school that is, like, completely amazing. Shout out to UW Madison. Badgers. [laughs] But we're everywhere, Badgers are everywhere, and I feel like--and I have seen, like, going to a new city and not knowing what to do and just reaching out to the local Badger community and having people advise me and talk with me. Not even career-wise, but, like, how to find an apartment, how to, you know, navigate what the best grocery stores are and that sort of thing. So there's this beautiful community that comes out of it, and that for me is, like, one of the main benefits.
Parin: Right. So you're mostly alluding to, like, the social experience, kind of?
Ola: Yeah, yeah.
Parin: Yeah, absolutely. And I'd have to agree. I mean, for one, college or school in itself is a social experience. I mean, you're building, you know, lifelong relationships, but I don't know if anyone else agrees or kind of feels that. I think education--like, I actually went to school to learn stuff, whether or not that--[laughs] whether or not that is actually being used in, like, you know, my day-to-day job is another story.
Ola: [laughs] I was about to say "I learned things, but I don't know where they went."
Parin: You know? And there's certain things I wouldn't have learned unless I went to college, and guaranteed you can probably teach yourself most things, but on top of the social experience there's definitely, like, other things that you learn as a person. Like, you learn to be independent. Like, I know for a lot of people, like, going to college, that's, like, your first time out in the real world, and you just learn all these, I guess, life skills [inaudible].
Ola: Mm-hmm. In a kind of safe environment too.
Parin: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Ola: Compared to, like, being out there as, like, an 18-year-old, which is scary and dangerous.
Parin: Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's very scary. Absolutely. So yeah, I think that's what I would say the true value of an education is. I mean, different people look at it differently. For some people it's a--you know, a stop on the path to financial security. For other people, it's really for the experience.
Ola: Yeah, agreed. Well, those were great questions. Let's move on to our Favorite Things.
Parin: Oh, this is my favorite part of the B-Sides, and I'm super excited to share my Favorite Things, but Bimpe, how about you tell us what your Favorite Things are so far or currently trending?
Ola: Okay. I have two things. First is the book "Well, That Escalated Quickly" by Francesca Ramsey, and Francesca Ramsey is someone I've followed on the internet, on YouTube, for a long time, and first she had natural hair videos where she was showing how to design her locks and kind of do funky styles with them. And I've never had locks, but I always had [inaudible] so I started to experiment from that. And then she kind of blew up on the internet, and what she's talking about in her book is memoirs and mistakes of an accidental activist. So coming into this space where you're listened to about social issues and knowing how to handle that with tact and, you know, retaining your own sanity. So I went to kind of the book launch, her book tour, in D.C., and it was packed. It was, you know, standing room only. People were so excited, and I met people in line for the book signing that, you know, had also followed her since the early lock video days. And it was a really great event, and I loved seeing her. Yeah, so that's, like, number one Favorite Thing. Everyone should go buy the book. Make her a New York Times bestseller, okay? She deserves. She deserves.
Parin: Yes, she really does. I was so sad I couldn't make it. It looked like a fantastic event.
Ola: Yeah, no, it was really great. And then second Favorite Thing is just kind of those moments where you can measure your progress. So I had a few moments like that this week, and for me it's been a great week. I think on Monday I realized that, like, I had lost 40 pounds since Thanksgiving...
Parin: Yes, girl.
Ola: Thank you. [laughs] Also this week I found out I got promoted, and that was, you know, something that I worked really hard for and just, like, stayed in my case, and so I am--my Favorite Thing is feeling those moments where you can look back and kind of track your progress and see that you are growing, even if every day doesn't feel like it.
Parin: Absolutely. Oh, my God. Congratulations on the promotion and on the 40 pound drop. Just black girl magic out here. Yes.
Ola: [laughs] Yes, yes. Excellence [inaudible]. Thank you.
Parin: [laughs] I guess my Favorite Things are not really--they're not that serious. It's finally summer, y'all, so I'm really, really excited to be out there not wearing a jacket. But for someone like me who's got a bunch of hair going on, I am really having headwraps right now. It's super convenient. Like, I don't know if everyone can rock those specifically, like in corporate settings, but I work remotely so your girl can just rock headwraps all day every day. I'm really loving them. Then my second favorite place--and Bimpe, you can literally, like, talk about this 'cause we were right there two days ago--is The Coupe in D.C. Shout out. Y'all, this place is great just to sit down, get a meal, you know, get your work done, and, you know, if you stay long enough you can segue into the bar. [laughs]
Ola: Didn't we move positions, like, two or three times? We, like, kept getting up and moving to different tables. We're like, "Okay, now we're going to move into this middle section." "Now we're going to move to the bar section." We were there for, like, eight hours.
Parin: Oh, yeah. Yeah. They had all my coins. They can have all my coins all day. Great place to work, network. You know, just--you know, love it. Love it. Shout out, y'all. Keep doing what you do. But yeah, that's it from us. Thank you guys for listening in, and stay tuned for our new episode coming out soon.
Ola: All right, thanks. Bye, guys.
Parin: Thanks. Bye, guys.
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