Lisa Birnbach talks with psychologist and author Dale Atkins about the big (but surprisingly doable) job ahead for parents who want to help their kids learn to be kind. And of course, they talk about the 5 things that make their lives better too.Lisa’s 5 Things: 1. New Korean film, Parasite, 2. Conversation with friends, 3. Dream about food, 4. The look of a vintage shrunken t-shirts under a pants suit or cardigan, 5. My home library Dale’s 5 Things: 1. Waking up every day, 2. Being in nature, 3. Playing with her dog Samson, 4. Her family and friends, 5. Doing things for other people and just finding surprises.

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