Lisa Birnbach and author Daphne Merkin have a frank talk about obsessive sex and love, and Daphne's new book "22 Minutes of Unconditional Love". Strangely enough neither sex nor love are one of Lisa's or Dahpne's 5 Things that make life better. Listen to find out why.

Lisa’s 5 Things: 1. Her friend Shelley’s sour cherry pie, 2. Her mother’s 90th birthday dinner, 3. Her Exhibits™, 4. Not wearing high heels anytime soon, 5. Dr. Fauci.

Daphne Merkin’s 5 (ok, 6) Things: 1. Discovering a great new book, 2. Lying in the sun by a pool or on the beach, 3. Listening to Patty Griffin, 4. That moment in writing when she is so absorbed, she forget about the time, 5. 5. Laughing hysterically about something with her daughter that only they'd get, 6. Breyer’s mint-chocolate cup ice cream.

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