After watching Mary Trump speak out for months on tv, it was terrific to have a longer conversation with the author, a psychologist by training and the niece of the former president. Which is her favorite of his three wives (so far), why was the Trump homestead so toxic, and after all is said and done, is Donald intelligent? You won't want to miss this episode.

Mary Trump's 5 Things that Make Her Life Better: 1. Her daughter Avary, 2. Art of all kinds, performing and fine, 3. The Sea, 4. Traveling, 5. All animals, especially her pets.

Lisa Birnbach's 5 Things: 1. Being a grown up, 2. Earl Grey Tea, 3. My new pillow in the shape and image of my grandson, 4. Soup, 5. My Twitter Idols @sulliview and @JoyceWhiteVance

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