Steven and Ian begin with a quick Sportscast about their respective favorite NFL teams — the Packers and the Eagles — facing off in the playoffs in the weekend (3:23). They also review the (unlikeable) programs left in the College Football Playoffs (7:56). From there, they discuss the recent album announcement by Japanese Breakfast and whether they like her new single (14:29). They also look at the lineup for this year's Bonnaroo and whether it confirms Steven's suspicions about festivals being in a downturn (25:22). Then they review the latest release by Ethel Cain, Perverts, and whether it is deliberately aimed at alienating her more pop-minded fans (34:10).

In Recommendation Corner, Ian talks about the "Ozark Mountain emo" band Pomfret while Steven recommends the new solo record by Geese singer Cameron Winter (50:17).

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