{"author_name":"Theology in the Raw","author_url":"https://art19.com/shows/theology-in-the-raw/episodes/5beeb326-5de4-4d44-a027-ccd7a854f1b3","description":"<p>What does the Bible really mean by modesty, and why have Christian conversations about clothing so often produced shame, especially for women and teenage girls?</p><p><br></p><p>Dr. Sandra Richter is a renown biblical scholar, author, and professor of Old Testament at Westmont College. The 2nd edition of her killer book, The Epic of Eden, releases in November 2026. Sandy is also a faithful mom, and one of her daughters, Noël Tsoukalas, joins us in this conversation about modesty. Noël is a Pop singer-songwriter and worship leader. She made a name for herself on Season 21 of American Idol, where she received a golden ticket and three “yeses” from celebrity judges Katy Perry, Lionel Richie, and Luke Bryan. Check out her music on Spotify! </p><p><br></p><p>00:00:00 “Your Outfit Is Causing My Husband to Stumble”</p><p>00:06:55 Sandy &amp; Noel on Modesty and Purity Culture</p><p>00:12:50 How the Church Has Mishandled Modesty</p><p>00:18:10 Sandy’s Experience with Christian Dress Codes</p><p>00:21:26 When Modesty Culture Makes Girls’ Bodies “Public Property”</p><p>00:27:21 The Billy Graham Rule and Women in Church Leadership</p><p>00:32:21 What Does Biblical Modesty Actually Look Like?</p><p>00:36:18 Body Shaming and Modesty in the Church</p><p>00:38:26 Teaching Girls to Set Boundaries with Church Leaders</p><p>00:42:51 Should Churches Have Dress Codes?</p><p>00:51:26 Body Types and the Subjectivity of Modesty</p><p>00:53:36 What Does Modesty Look Like for Men?</p><p>00:56:28 Biblical Modesty Is About More Than Sexuality</p><p>00:59:12 Double Standards for Men and Women at Christian Camps</p><p>01:01:41 How Should Christian Camps Handle Swimsuit Dress Codes?</p><p>01:06:15 Does Modesty Culture Discourage Women from Ministry?</p><p>01:08:30 Social Media, Body Image, and Female Musicians</p><p>01:11:30 Healing from Shame Around Modesty and Purity Culture</p><p>01:14:05 Who Should Talk to Women About Their Clothing?</p><p>01:15:20 Forrest Frank and Cory Asbury make the internet stumble</p>","html":"<iframe src=\"https://art19.com/shows/theology-in-the-raw/episodes/5beeb326-5de4-4d44-a027-ccd7a854f1b3/embed\" style=\"width: 720px; height: 200px; border: 0 none;\" width=\"720\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-popups allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"></iframe>","provider_name":"ART19","provider_url":"https://art19.com","title":"Does the Church Get Modesty Wrong? Dr. Sandra Richter & Noël Tsoukalas","type":"rich","version":"1.0","width":720,"height":200}