{"author_name":"Sinica Podcast","author_url":"https://art19.com/shows/sinica/episodes/7fd635ef-43a7-4db5-9094-da69e0dbe188","description":"<p>This week on Sinica, I speak with Jia Ruixue and Li Hongbin, coauthors of <a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Highest-Exam-Gaokao-Shapes-China/dp/0674295390/ref=sr_1_1?crid=16UES1ZXP1HY1&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bLTHU-5j94-aE6YLyrBgdu37BtiDM69KP89sdREWVWBnDP2lHxa5W9_l4vzK-MRDiQWEfnppQJk816G_LqEdPw.TDG-XS8lufLwa2WlR_YyM3aRhudr71vi3eak5JMp9E4&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=the+highest+exam+how+the+gaokao+shapes+china&amp;nsdOptOutParam=true&amp;qid=1768909843&amp;sprefix=The+Highest+Exam%2Caps%2C350&amp;sr=8-1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Highest Exam: How the Gaokao Shapes China</em></a>. We're talking about China's college entrance exam — dreaded and feared, with outsized ability to determine life outcomes, seen as deeply flawed yet also sacrosanct, something few Chinese want drastically altered or removed. Cards on table: I had very strong preconceptions about the gaokao. My wife and I planned our children's education to get them out of the Chinese system before it became increasingly oriented toward gaokao preparation. But this book really opened my eyes. </p><p>Ruixue is professor of economics at UC San Diego's School of Global Policy and Strategy, researching how institutions like examination systems shape governance, elite selection, and state capacity. Hongbin is James Liang Chair at Stanford, focusing on education, labor markets, and institutional foundations of China's economic development. </p><p>We explore why the gaokao represents far more than just a difficult test, the concrete incentives families face, why there are limited alternative routes for social mobility, how both authors' own experiences shaped their thinking, why exam-based elite selection has been so durable in China, what happened when the exam system was suspended during the Cultural Revolution, why inequality has increased despite internet access to materials, why meaningful reform is so politically difficult, how education translated into productivity and GDP growth, the gap between skill formation and economic returns, how the system shapes governance and everyday life, and the moral dimensions of exam culture when Chinese families migrate to very different education systems like the U.S.</p><p>6:18 – What the gaokao actually represents beyond just being a difficult exam </p><p>11:54 – Why there are limited alternative pathways for social mobility </p><p>14:23 – How their own experiences as students shaped their thinking </p><p>18:46 – Why the gaokao is a political institution, not just educational policy </p><p>22:21 – Why exam-based elite selection has been so durable in China </p><p>28:30 – What happened in late Qing and Cultural Revolution when exams were suspended </p><p>33:26 – Has internet access to materials reduced inequality or has it persisted? </p><p>36:55 – Hongbin's direct experience trying to reform the gaokao—and why it failed </p><p>40:28 – How education improvement accounts for significant share of China's GDP growth </p><p>42:44 – The gap: college doesn't add measurable skills, but gaokao scores predict income </p><p>46:56 – How centralized approach affects talent allocation across fields </p><p>51:08 – The gaokao and GDP tournament for officials: similar tournament systems </p><p>54:26 – How ranking and evaluation systems shape workplace behavior and culture </p><p>58:12 – When exam culture meets U.S. education: understanding tensions around affirmative action </p><p>1:02:10 – Transparent rule-based evaluation vs. discretion and judgment: the fundamental tradeoff</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Recommendations:</strong> </p><p><strong>Ruixue:</strong> <a href=\"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33616511/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_1_nm_0_in_0_q_piaoliang%2520pengyou\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Piao Liang Peng You</em></a> (film by Geng Jun); <a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Stoner-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/1590171993/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3H6LHS7YY0B9D&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.MevN2PxTnU5H7uhAL5OSwJPyVPur4ONpDfAZAhfnhv6gFCMp1RKYGTWkZHuMYY9_04VJCDBMIEnnyMqIg9CP-MNamrs_AvvUl7AEbTTj7_L8HhBtB6PrtVuYD3viVoCFXQQKbYGikLJwnxJitc1mXh_JwU_mnb9vWYp5vEjmAYpwNSixzBc1AetG3hWGtnloodcUsTZZ_4lBhNEPziYCIqCERoIsBYZ0GRlxciO-Q0k.IAYQ29CpuwDI9MDhR6B9D9FjtgATCI_KSr3Uc0wH3Vc&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=stoner+john+williams&amp;qid=1768909634&amp;sprefix=Stoner%2Caps%2C382&amp;sr=8-1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Stoner</em></a> (a novel by John Williams) </p><p><strong>Hongbin: </strong><a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Practical-Manual-Aspiring/dp/0615652425/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1QTYTQL6ZX9BE&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ABbcpudN4XC28zZu9ejIh3WOLEK_OisfkjQ4PKl5ty4POAjPrKiCTdGi2b0yEUEASVJ1PWS9vTNYB-SaJbIxtgPD9rKSeok-pywcY0o_4kgb__MCKza8IvrCknpyda-GlvhOo36eUMJtMfWskPS1rjIznKfV5X3zYUT5smiy782X1P8K3vE4miPBlyvDSS_jcEuxG_iZiAdWIDCTjnhWUkD5shlphYfYgGThIA5bth4.xMYhGG3xXwDVh2M_nEHhjZMfUakQwfoeK5D67MTLx4Y&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=dictator%27s+handbook&amp;qid=1768909685&amp;sprefix=Dictator%27s%2Caps%2C245&amp;sr=8-2\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Dictator's Handbook</em></a></p><p><strong>Kaiser:</strong> <a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Furious-Minds-Making-MAGA-Right/dp/0691255261/ref=sr_1_1?crid=BH6T5ZU925B0&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5D3HOkhOKjxd77lRm0uHp4CQ4BfKdIvkICnwosQcvtxPmKixDLvvRU0io6xzyHVo.YicwWUZ3nN9vDKlWFvzbvdFcwEM1Xn7zIb3RWv1foME&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=furious+minds+the+making+of+the+maga+new+right&amp;nsdOptOutParam=true&amp;qid=1768909767&amp;sprefix=Fuirous+Minds%2Caps%2C238&amp;sr=8-1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Furious Minds: The Making of the MAGA New Right</em></a> by Laura K. Field; <a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Black-Pill-Witnessed-Internet-American/dp/1982198885/ref=sr_1_1?crid=26XQFRJVQSHY3&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8OhtIRmxRA-ohsREEelOCT-Ca9vooboD52V0zxVIjbsT6uSnm-Jpw4yia_8vUy93vAdtxIbQD7AZdIMn5jzh0hasnos2VFn4AG2Yc-YqvRx8DHMG0426hCPTRJ6-aIJHGblGPyAdrmDQaOWWLzAs3CrM5meSZzs9w7Vu3AJy1b0wfCDwE7u0QByZu1xVKC3hjPzLnIVFqXe43CbYtgje62c_WUYnS57TADJpIeHsSIY.seSn_ZFE8V-gzMYNdFexj4olmW7TjH6UdiQ89VpoxmU&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=black+pill&amp;qid=1768909797&amp;sprefix=black+pill%2Caps%2C270&amp;sr=8-1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Black Pill</em></a> by Elle Reeve</p>","html":"<iframe src=\"https://art19.com/shows/sinica/episodes/7fd635ef-43a7-4db5-9094-da69e0dbe188/embed\" style=\"width: 720px; height: 200px; border: 0 none;\" width=\"720\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-popups allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"></iframe>","provider_name":"ART19","provider_url":"https://art19.com","title":"The Highest Exam: Jia Ruixue and Li Hongbin on China's Gaokao and What It Reveals About Chinese Society","type":"rich","version":"1.0","width":720,"height":200}